Alright. Before anything, I believe what has been provided in this topic is not really enough for a fair discussion and I don’t know if it has been purposefully omitted in order to favour a one-sided reading of things - it doesn’t really matters - but i’ll be the one who will level things up for a fair share. This is the gossip that SAPD members had prior [and after] to the posting of that forum topic yesterday, highlighting the actual intentions of most of them. Names are censored because they are not relevant to the point of the topic and could result in deviation of the original point.
Since you have gone over the situation, I will explain again. There was a protest over Idlewood. FBI agents show in plain clothes and in an unmarked vehicle. I believe Matthew identified to him once he asked but it remained like that and it was just to make sure he knew he was backed up. The fact that the agents were there did not actually interfer with his duties, since right after this identification, Eren Jaegar [one of the protestors] began to block our car out of spite.
We could have blazed our badges and just tell him to fuck off, but instead we decided to stick to the cover and instead started to swear at him in roleplay as if we were portraying angry civils. The cops who were around noticed the scene and proceeded to act, Pen being one of them. Not in any way did Pen ask for our help, nor have we asked for his [as it seems to be the core argument here, the “innocent freecop” being wrongfully ordered by the FBI and thus, blindly following orders based in hierarchy], but instead helped his other fellow colleagues in trying to remove the civil as he was blocking the street. Pen didn’t promptly react, he actually began to help after other volunteers were already on it, acting on his judgement his colleagues needed help in that very situation [none of the other cops in scene knew about the FBI agents].
Right after, believing Pen did protect our cover since he has not referred to us as “FBI” publicly, or came up to us to request any “order” or recommendation, the scene proceeded. Eren began to evade the volunteers while cuffed, and as bearing our angry civil disguise, we actually followed along the situation by pretending we were still taking the piss off the guy that was blocking our car. You can see “KILL HIM” and “GO, POLICE, GO” in the videos over like four lines of local chat. Pen guns the guy down and a gunfight breaks between volunteers. Basing on the point he didn’t really took “FBI orders” in account when he saw the Sabre being blocked off and the driver horning as he only acted when another volunteer was around, what would make it reasonable to believe his judgement was completely clouded by civilians, as we believed by that point he had kept our cover intact and not assume we were in that scene exercising our FBI authority, or else we would have done it from the beginning? As a level 11 player and rather acquainted with the server’s routine, I would sure believe how in Earth it would be reasonable for FBI agents to order cops to kill cuffed suspects and think twice. If that was still a misunderstanding and Pen understood that way, then he is in no way to be subject of police sanctions.
Looking over the situation, I see at least three police officers around a cuffed suspect with very low health and a situation that looks very close to being in control as sooner or later the suspect would be stopped. How did Pen thought it was actually reasonable to discharge his firearm? This whole complaint is based off the presumption that an innocent cop was mislead by the FBI. This “new player” is a level 11 player with 87 hours of playing in the server, most of them I see spent in very considerable time in cop duty. It is reasonable enough for me to believe that in these 87 hours, it would have been quite enough for him to get acquainted with basic principles of the police duty [I see he is mostly on police duty], and if not, that he would’ve been corrected by a member of the SAPD, seniors to whom the volunteers should look for reference on good policing. I am sure Pen, with 87 hours of gameplay, is very able to make his own assessment of the situation.
Are we really gonna treat players from a very low-leveled perspective in order to suit our arguments?
Indeed, a discussion was attempted in the forum originating from sorrow feelings held by SAPD members who saw this cause as the perfect pretext to weaponize their bias against the FBI. Refer to the spoiler at the beginning.
I am well aware that none of the officers in that chat represent the SAPD as a whole. However, that erratic behaviour was endorsed by a Lieutenant of this department, which can only lead me to logically believe he’s speaking in behalf of SAPD Command as he was never told otherwise by his superiors, which yes, prompts me to believe there is an actual problem within the SAPD and to act under the behalf of my management prerogative in order to put a stop to this.
You, like other SAPD officers, might not be an hypocritical and might be doing your best for the department, but you’re sure pretending not to realise there’s growing grudge within this very same department, it is now clearly a notable problem and instead of repudiating it, you acknowledge it and, therefore, you’re pretty much a part of it. I’m a believer of constructive criticism, but what was plotted in that chat prior to the first forum topic pretty much derived my beliefs from any attempt that would be of actual legit aim for constructive criticism.
What came from these chats was not like “let’s debate over this situation in public”, it was “let’s debate over this situation in public in order to gain support for our cause”.
I am sure the FBI Director responds to the President. Have you ever tried reaching him, or you preferred to make a video out of it and expose it in forums and spread gossip with no practical answer?
OH, God, spare me of your "this is becoming Argonath" and "very authoritarian" cynicism. Refer to the spoiler in the beginning. Despite what your personal intention is, I can very much assume from that rant that people were looking for a pretext to shit on FBI and gain public support in this bandwagon, and specially highlighted by people teasing community owners in order to gain support in this sectarian cause, as none of the rants that steered that way were repudiated in the chat by anyone, including yourself and much neither by the SAPD Command. If you want to call this only “responding in base to the evidence they have been provided” and “discussing the situation in a respectful manner”, sure, it’s your opinion.
Sure, it’s your assumption. Can’t say there was not some moments of heat in private chats, indeed, it happens, just as there is in SAPD’s ones. Yet, I have never seen the FBI weaponize grudge in order to try and get a whole group closed forged in some pinpoint stuff.